Ryan Tomayko

Message: Re: [rest-discuss] REST-* —

Whoa. There’s some serious shit poppin' off on the rest-discuss mailing list lately. Here’s Roy Fielding (completely out of context):

Quite frankly, this is the single dumbest attempt at one-sided “standardization” of anti-REST architecture that I have ever seen. It even manages to one-up the previous all-time-idiocy of IBM when they renamed their CORBA toolkit “Web Services” in a deliberate attempt to confuse customers into thinking they had something to do with the Web.

It doesn’t get any better from there :) I saw the REST-* site a few weeks ago but I (literally) thought it was a joke site. The sad thing is that, if the past is a predictor of the future, Jboss/Redhat will probably be able to convince a large chunk of enterprise IT managers that they are REST.

Enterprise static files —

This reddit comment makes me wish lesscode.org was still around :)

Concluding Remarks —

Jean-Jacques Dubray: “How do the RESTafarians work? They take Roy’s REST, they try to use it for anything in their day to day activities, and then when they stumble upon a problem, they try to find a more or less ‘RESTful’ solution and post it on a blog.”

Precisely!

Explaining REST to Damien Katz —

Dare Obasanjo is a machine.

IBM Web services guru predicts WSDL future —

From 2002: “On this latter specification, Sutor is emphatic: web services are defined by whether they are described in WSDL.”

Do we need WADL? —

Ka-pow!

Myth: RESTful Web Services Don't Need an Interface Definition Language —

Dare weighs in on the usefulness of description languages in REST-based design and seems to conclude that Uniform Interface != Description Language and that simple discovery ( style) is the appropriate comparison.

Lying Through Their Teeth: Easy vs. Simple —

Steve Vinoski compares IDL as used w/ CORBA/DCOM with WSDL as used by WS-*. It’s interesting that IDL served as more than just a description for machines. Humans used IDL as spec text and built services accordingly, just like REST :)

Changeset 8180 - Rails Trac - Trac —

“Ousted ActionWebService from Rails 2.0 ” :)

WS-* is to REST as Theory is to Practice —

Dare talks about his transition from WS-* to REST proponent. This mirrors a lot of people’s experience, including my own.

RESTafarian SOA killers? —

“We (the RESTafarians) are not stubborn zealots. We’re just right. Sorry :–)”

Rails 2.0: Preview Release —

“… Rails has picked a side in the SOAP vs REST debate. Unless you absolutely have to use SOAP for integration purposes, we strongly discourage you from doing so. As a naturally extension of that, we’ve pulled ActionWebService from the default bundle.”

WSDL - Why Services Don't Launch [addsimplicity.com] —

Oh snap!

Reinventing the WS Stack —

“Should machine-to-machine, multi-hop, RESTful communications expose a need for additional functionality, then, and only then, will the need be addressed. This is opposed to the WS style of standards creation where solutions are created that go in search

InfoQ: Interview: Pete Lacey Criticizes Web Services —

Wow, I’m flattered blush Turns out I do know something about SOA after all. Speaking of “Motherhood and Apple Pie” – I quite liked that essay but it was one of those that never really took off.

Socio-political and Commercial Motivations for WS-* —

Nice bit of history showing the chain of events that led to WS-*.

Stefan Tilkov on SOA —

Extremely clear and right take on REST, WS, and other techniques for distributing systems.

IBM UDDI Business Registry: Shutdown FAQ —

The first of many such FAQs and announcements…

PEAR 1.4.0, meet REST 1.0 —

Greg Beaver talks about some of the benefits of REST based design as he’s moving PEAR from XML-RPC to standrad HTTP/URIs/XML.

A REST Intervention —

Koranteng ponders how it is possible for REST based systems to kick so much ass.

Japanese Translation of How I Explained Rest to My Wife —

How cool is that?

What Does SOAP/WS Do that A REST System Can't? —

I didn’t know SOAP/WS systems were so capable. Astounding!

Analyst Report: Scripting languages lag in Web services support —

That’s because they don’t have shithead analyst speculation driving feature development…

Bowstreet Predicts 2002 Will Be The `Year of Web Services` —

Just for fun :)

Don't throw out the SOAP with the bathwater —

Udell wishes REST and WS-* could get along… The REST people did too – two or three years ago (e.g. Prescod, Baker).

Lesson's learned launching a web service —

Google reflects on some of the decisions made for the AdWords API.

Roots of the REST/SOAP Debate —

Paul Prescod gives some background and opinion on the REST/SOAP debate.

The on-demand blogosphere —

An Udell screencast on the future of the blogosphere. del.icio.us as a shared brain.. all great stuff. watch it.

WS-Nothing —

More people coming over to the loyal opposition…

Show Me the Code —

Joe Gregorio’s second installment in his series on building RESTful applications shows us how to build a bookmark service kind of like del.icio.us. He nailed this one really nicely.

SOAP is Comatose But Not Officially Dead! —

Carlos Perez with a nice wrap up of recent WS-* vs. REST discussion around the blogosphere.

SOAP is boring, wake up Big Vendors or get niched —

More reports of shrinking WS-* mindshare and cries for tools for building REST based architecture.

The sad state of SOAP interoperability —

Complexity is kryptonite to interoperability. It’s that simple.

WS-Who's-on-First —

Oh, this is brilliant. Look at the bright side, Mark, at least it’s horribly useless in a way that’s interoperable!

REST Intro and Overview —

Paul James wrote this nice technical summary on REST and competing technologies back in September 2004 and I missed it somehow.

The Restful Web —

Joe Gregorio has a new XML.com column called “The RESTful Web” where he just posted his first article. This is great news. No one seems to want to stand up and bring REST to the masses.

Showing Off —

:) “… it isn’t about REST or SOAP or WS-* or .NET or Java or whatever, it’s about easy.” — Tim Bray

Common REST Mistakes —

Some good tips on building RESTful web services.

Ed, settle down. And please don't call it "WS-mess"... —

… there has been a recent round of “glowing reviews from analysts”. What could possible go wrong?

Bloglines Web Services API Documentation —

A nice, simple HTTP/XML based API for bloglines. I hope this trend continues.

The ‘Web’ in Web Services —

Mark Nottingham wondering why WS-Transfer (HTTP wrapped up in SOAP wrapped up in HTTP bwhhahaha) didn’t get more heat from the opposition.

SOAP Problems —

A big list of problems with the current WS stack. Contains pointers to mailing-list discussion on various issues.

Are Web Services receding? —

Simon St. Laurent noticing the recent WS-Opposition.

A complete guide to WS in one, short paragraph —

Sean McGrath backing Tim Bray on the Loyal WS-Opposition.

WS-Pagecount —

The legs the Loyal WS-Opposition is standing on. (Tim Bray)

Joe Joins Loyal WS-Opposition —

Joe Gregorio on Tim Bray’s “The Loyal WS-Opposition” post. This might end up being a real committee or something.

The Loyal WS-Opposition —

Tim Bray on WS-Sanity: “So here’s what I’m going to do. I’m going to stay out of the way and watch the WS-visionaries and WS-dreamers and WS-evangelists go ahead and WS-build their WS-future.”