Sanjiva Weerawarana is such a tool.
It’s that bad.
Somebody pinch me; this must be a nightmare.
The REST / Web Arch. crowd falls back to its secret weapon in the fight for mankind: The Dialogue.
What I think success means with regards to “Web Services”.
It has nothing to do with the web.
The loyal opposition is growing in weird ways.
Some thoughts on AMQ, the latest solution to all your problems.
Praise for Yahoo! as they launch an initial set of web style APIs.
A theory on why big vendors, big analyst houses, and the tech press want to sell you the worst possible solutions to your problems.
It’s not a robot thing.
Adam Bosworth joins the Loyal WS-Opposition – minus the loyal part, perhaps.
Whoa. There’s some serious shit poppin' off on the rest-discuss mailing list lately. Here’s Roy Fielding (completely out of context):
Quite frankly, this is the single dumbest attempt at one-sided “standardization” of anti-REST architecture that I have ever seen. It even manages to one-up the previous all-time-idiocy of IBM when they renamed their CORBA toolkit “Web Services” in a deliberate attempt to confuse customers into thinking they had something to do with the Web.
It doesn’t get any better from there :) I saw the REST-* site a few weeks ago but I (literally) thought it was a joke site. The sad thing is that, if the past is a predictor of the future, Jboss/Redhat will probably be able to convince a large chunk of enterprise IT managers that they are REST.
This reddit comment makes me wish lesscode.org was still around :)
Jean-Jacques Dubray: “How do the RESTafarians work? They take Roy’s REST, they try to use it for anything in their day to day activities, and then when they stumble upon a problem, they try to find a more or less ‘RESTful’ solution and post it on a blog.”
Precisely!
Dare Obasanjo is a machine.
From 2002: “On this latter specification, Sutor is emphatic: web services are defined by whether they are described in WSDL.”
Ka-pow!
Dare weighs in on the usefulness of description languages in REST-based design and seems to conclude that Uniform Interface != Description Language and that simple discovery ( style) is the appropriate comparison.
Steve Vinoski compares IDL as used w/ CORBA/DCOM with WSDL as used by WS-*. It’s interesting that IDL served as more than just a description for machines. Humans used IDL as spec text and built services accordingly, just like REST :)
“Ousted ActionWebService from Rails 2.0 ” :)
Dare talks about his transition from WS-* to REST proponent. This mirrors a lot of people’s experience, including my own.
“We (the RESTafarians) are not stubborn zealots. We’re just right. Sorry :–)”
“… Rails has picked a side in the SOAP vs REST debate. Unless you absolutely have to use SOAP for integration purposes, we strongly discourage you from doing so. As a naturally extension of that, we’ve pulled ActionWebService from the default bundle.”
“Should machine-to-machine, multi-hop, RESTful communications expose a need for additional functionality, then, and only then, will the need be addressed. This is opposed to the WS style of standards creation where solutions are created that go in search
Wow, I’m flattered blush Turns out I do know something about SOA after all. Speaking of “Motherhood and Apple Pie” – I quite liked that essay but it was one of those that never really took off.
Nice bit of history showing the chain of events that led to WS-*.
Extremely clear and right take on REST, WS, and other techniques for distributing systems.
The first of many such FAQs and announcements…
Greg Beaver talks about some of the benefits of REST based design as he’s moving PEAR from XML-RPC to standrad HTTP/URIs/XML.
Koranteng ponders how it is possible for REST based systems to kick so much ass.
How cool is that?
I didn’t know SOAP/WS systems were so capable. Astounding!
That’s because they don’t have shithead analyst speculation driving feature development…
Just for fun :)
Udell wishes REST and WS-* could get along… The REST people did too – two or three years ago (e.g. Prescod, Baker).
Google reflects on some of the decisions made for the AdWords API.
Paul Prescod gives some background and opinion on the REST/SOAP debate.
An Udell screencast on the future of the blogosphere. del.icio.us as a shared brain.. all great stuff. watch it.
More people coming over to the loyal opposition…
Joe Gregorio’s second installment in his series on building RESTful applications shows us how to build a bookmark service kind of like del.icio.us. He nailed this one really nicely.
Carlos Perez with a nice wrap up of recent WS-* vs. REST discussion around the blogosphere.
More reports of shrinking WS-* mindshare and cries for tools for building REST based architecture.
Complexity is kryptonite to interoperability. It’s that simple.
Oh, this is brilliant. Look at the bright side, Mark, at least it’s horribly useless in a way that’s interoperable!
Paul James wrote this nice technical summary on REST and competing technologies back in September 2004 and I missed it somehow.
Joe Gregorio has a new XML.com column called “The RESTful Web” where he just posted his first article. This is great news. No one seems to want to stand up and bring REST to the masses.
:) “… it isn’t about REST or SOAP or WS-* or .NET or Java or whatever, it’s about easy.” — Tim Bray
Some good tips on building RESTful web services.
… there has been a recent round of “glowing reviews from analysts”. What could possible go wrong?
A nice, simple HTTP/XML based API for bloglines. I hope this trend continues.
Mark Nottingham wondering why WS-Transfer (HTTP wrapped up in SOAP wrapped up in HTTP bwhhahaha) didn’t get more heat from the opposition.
A big list of problems with the current WS stack. Contains pointers to mailing-list discussion on various issues.
Simon St. Laurent noticing the recent WS-Opposition.
Sean McGrath backing Tim Bray on the Loyal WS-Opposition.
The legs the Loyal WS-Opposition is standing on. (Tim Bray)
Joe Gregorio on Tim Bray’s “The Loyal WS-Opposition” post. This might end up being a real committee or something.
Tim Bray on WS-Sanity: “So here’s what I’m going to do. I’m going to stay out of the way and watch the WS-visionaries and WS-dreamers and WS-evangelists go ahead and WS-build their WS-future.”