Help! The WS-* vs. REST Debate Has Been Hijacked By People Who Want To Have Logical Discussions About Actual Real World Issues!
A call to arms.
Speaking of, "lying through their teeth..."
Sanjiva Weerawarana is such a tool.
WS-* == Windows Services Dash Star?
It’s that bad.
This word - "Web" - I do not think it means what you think it means.
Somebody pinch me; this must be a nightmare.
The REST Dialogues
The REST / Web Arch. crowd falls back to its secret weapon in the fight for mankind: The Dialogue.
Web Services: what is "success" and how do we get there?
What I think success means with regards to “Web Services”.
What WS-* got wrong
It has nothing to do with the web.
Jonathon Schwartz on WS-Mess
The loyal opposition is growing in weird ways.
WS-Sandwich
Some thoughts on AMQ, the latest solution to all your problems.
Yahoo! Launches REST-based Web Services
Praise for Yahoo! as they launch an initial set of web style APIs.
The Tool Vendor's Dilemma
A theory on why big vendors, big analyst houses, and the tech press want to sell you the worst possible solutions to your problems.
How I Explained REST to My Wife
It’s not a robot thing.
Adam Bosworth, Sloppy KISSes, and WS-Mess
Adam Bosworth joins the Loyal WS-Opposition – minus the loyal part, perhaps.
IBM Web services guru predicts WSDL future
From 2002: “On this latter specification, Sutor is emphatic: web services are defined by whether they are described in WSDL.”
Myth: RESTful Web Services Don't Need an Interface Definition Language
Dare weighs in on the usefulness of description languages in REST-based design and seems to conclude that Uniform Interface != Description Language and that simple discovery ( style) is the appropriate comparison.
Lying Through Their Teeth: Easy vs. Simple
Steve Vinoski compares IDL as used w/ CORBA/DCOM with WSDL as used by WS-*. It’s interesting that IDL served as more than just a description for machines. Humans used IDL as spec text and built services accordingly, just like REST :)
WS-* is to REST as Theory is to Practice
Dare talks about his transition from WS-* to REST proponent. This mirrors a lot of people’s experience, including my own.
RESTafarian SOA killers?
“We (the RESTafarians) are not stubborn zealots. We’re just right. Sorry :–)”
Rails 2.0: Preview Release
“… Rails has picked a side in the SOAP vs REST debate. Unless you absolutely have to use SOAP for integration purposes, we strongly discourage you from doing so. As a naturally extension of that, we’ve pulled ActionWebService from the default bundle.”
Reinventing the WS Stack
“Should machine-to-machine, multi-hop, RESTful communications expose a need for additional functionality, then, and only then, will the need be addressed. This is opposed to the WS style of standards creation where solutions are created that go in search
InfoQ: Interview: Pete Lacey Criticizes Web Services
Wow, I'm flattered blush Turns out I do know something about SOA after all. Speaking of “Motherhood and Apple Pie” – I quite liked that essay but it was one of those that never really took off.
Socio-political and Commercial Motivations for WS-*
Nice bit of history showing the chain of events that led to WS-*.
Stefan Tilkov on SOA
Extremely clear and right take on REST, WS, and other techniques for distributing systems.
PEAR 1.4.0, meet REST 1.0
Greg Beaver talks about some of the benefits of REST based design as he’s moving PEAR from XML-RPC to standrad HTTP/URIs/XML.
A REST Intervention
Koranteng ponders how it is possible for REST based systems to kick so much ass.
What Does SOAP/WS Do that A REST System Can't?
I didn’t know SOAP/WS systems were so capable. Astounding!
Analyst Report: Scripting languages lag in Web services support
That’s because they don’t have shithead analyst speculation driving feature development…
Don't throw out the SOAP with the bathwater
Udell wishes REST and WS-* could get along… The REST people did too – two or three years ago (e.g. Prescod, Baker).
Lesson's learned launching a web service
Google reflects on some of the decisions made for the AdWords API.
Roots of the REST/SOAP Debate
Paul Prescod gives some background and opinion on the REST/SOAP debate.
The on-demand blogosphere
An Udell screencast on the future of the blogosphere. del.icio.us as a shared brain.. all great stuff. watch it.
Show Me the Code
Joe Gregorio’s second installment in his series on building RESTful applications shows us how to build a bookmark service kind of like del.icio.us. He nailed this one really nicely.
SOAP is Comatose But Not Officially Dead!
Carlos Perez with a nice wrap up of recent WS-* vs. REST discussion around the blogosphere.
SOAP is boring, wake up Big Vendors or get niched
More reports of shrinking WS-* mindshare and cries for tools for building REST based architecture.
The sad state of SOAP interoperability
Complexity is kryptonite to interoperability. It’s that simple.
WS-Who's-on-First
Oh, this is brilliant. Look at the bright side, Mark, at least it’s horribly useless in a way that’s interoperable!
REST Intro and Overview
Paul James wrote this nice technical summary on REST and competing technologies back in September 2004 and I missed it somehow.
The Restful Web
Joe Gregorio has a new XML.com column called “The RESTful Web” where he just posted his first article. This is great news. No one seems to want to stand up and bring REST to the masses.
Showing Off
:) “… it isn’t about REST or SOAP or WS-* or .NET or Java or whatever, it’s about easy.” — Tim Bray
Ed, settle down. And please don't call it "WS-mess"...
… there has been a recent round of “glowing reviews from analysts”. What could possible go wrong?
Bloglines Web Services API Documentation
A nice, simple HTTP/XML based API for bloglines. I hope this trend continues.
The ‘Web’ in Web Services
Mark Nottingham wondering why WS-Transfer (HTTP wrapped up in SOAP wrapped up in HTTP bwhhahaha) didn’t get more heat from the opposition.
SOAP Problems
A big list of problems with the current WS stack. Contains pointers to mailing-list discussion on various issues.
A complete guide to WS in one, short paragraph
Sean McGrath backing Tim Bray on the Loyal WS-Opposition.
Joe Joins Loyal WS-Opposition
Joe Gregorio on Tim Bray’s “The Loyal WS-Opposition” post. This might end up being a real committee or something.
The Loyal WS-Opposition
Tim Bray on WS-Sanity: “So here’s what I’m going to do. I’m going to stay out of the way and watch the WS-visionaries and WS-dreamers and WS-evangelists go ahead and WS-build their WS-future.”